Can anyone tell me a date for a ortgies.32 stamped Germany (import model) S# 1500XX? The old Gun Digest article traces serial numbers to some extent Attached.
LSB#: 131209VG03 Make: Deutsche Werke Model: Ortgies -.32 ACP Serial Number: 100210 Year of Manufacture: 1919-1924 (From medallions on grips) Caliber:.32 ACP (7.65mm Browning) Action Type: Single Action Semi-Automatic with Removable Magazine Markings: The left side of the slide is marked “Deutsche Werke”, a logo, and “Werk Erfurt.” The right side of the slide is marked “Ortgies’ Patent”. The top of the slide behind the port opening and the right side of the frame both have a Crowned “N” proof.
The bottom of the frame in front of the trigger guard is marked “100210 / Germany”. The barrel is marked with a Crowned “N” proof and “Cal 7.65m/m”. Barrel Length: 3 3/8” Sights / Optics: The front sight is a short blade fixed to the slide. The rear sight is a “V” groove in the base formed on the back of the slide. Stock Configuration & Condition: The grips are smooth walnut with a brass medallion on each grip. The medallion shows a crouching cat with a long tail shaped to form a “D” using the body of the cat as the left side of the “D”. The grips show handling marks and light oil staining at the tops of the grips.
The right grip also has a few larger compression marks near the bottom of the grip. The grips rate in about Fine overall condition. Type of Finish: Blue Finish Originality: All Original Bore Condition: The bore is bright and the rifling is sharp and deep. There is no erosion in the bore. Overall Condition: This handgun retains about 96% of its metal finish. The front and rear edges of the slide show thinning and there is small spot of pitting on the right side of the slide about an inch from the muzzle.
The sides of the slide and the backstrap show light handling marks. There is a small spot of pinprick surface erosion on the left side of the slide above the markings, on the right side of the slide above the grip, on the rear face of the slide on the left side and two spots on the right side of the slide at the rear. The edges of the safety and magazine release show thinning. The markings are clear. Overall, this handgun rates in about Fine to Excellent condition. Mechanics: The action functions correctly.
We did not fire this handgun. See Assessment for operation of safety. It does not have a magazine disconnect. Box, Paperwork & Accessories: This pistol comes with one stainless steel 7-round magazine.
It is marked with “9m/m” on the left side and “7.65m/m” and a faint logo that is illegible on the right side. The magazine shows spots of pinprick surface erosion and surface loss from sanding. It is in about Very Good condition.
Our Assessment: From Wikipedia: “The pistol was produced in 6.35 mm, 7.65 mm, and 9 mm variants. Although not expensive, at the time it was of advanced design and high quality construction with relatively few parts and well-sealed against dirt. Metal components were forged or machined, and assembly in general made no use of screws, even securing the wooden grips with metal clips. The hammerless action depended on a spring-loaded striker to fire the cartridge. Unusual design features included the safety and the multi-caliber magazine. The safety was a lever inset into the back of the grip and, with the gun cocked, forced backward out of the grip into the 'safe' position by spring tension from the firing pin upon depression of a button under the slide. Thus, engaging the safety simultaneously reduced tension on the firing pin spring.
To disengage the safety, a shooter simply would squeeze the grip, pressing the lever forward and locking it flush with the back of the pistol. The Ortgies was a well-balanced, sturdy weapon that found considerable favor in competitive shooting. In 1921, prize winners at some 70% of principal shooting competitions had chosen Ortgies 7.65 mm pistols, and the winner of the German championship on September 26, 1921, at Halensee, Germany, took the prize firing an Ortgies.
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Can anyone tell me a date for a ortgies.32 stamped Germany (import model) S# 1500XX? The old Gun Digest article traces serial numbers to some extent Attached.
LSB#: 131209VG03 Make: Deutsche Werke Model: Ortgies -.32 ACP Serial Number: 100210 Year of Manufacture: 1919-1924 (From medallions on grips) Caliber:.32 ACP (7.65mm Browning) Action Type: Single Action Semi-Automatic with Removable Magazine Markings: The left side of the slide is marked “Deutsche Werke”, a logo, and “Werk Erfurt.” The right side of the slide is marked “Ortgies’ Patent”. The top of the slide behind the port opening and the right side of the frame both have a Crowned “N” proof.
The bottom of the frame in front of the trigger guard is marked “100210 / Germany”. The barrel is marked with a Crowned “N” proof and “Cal 7.65m/m”. Barrel Length: 3 3/8” Sights / Optics: The front sight is a short blade fixed to the slide. The rear sight is a “V” groove in the base formed on the back of the slide. Stock Configuration & Condition: The grips are smooth walnut with a brass medallion on each grip. The medallion shows a crouching cat with a long tail shaped to form a “D” using the body of the cat as the left side of the “D”. The grips show handling marks and light oil staining at the tops of the grips.
The right grip also has a few larger compression marks near the bottom of the grip. The grips rate in about Fine overall condition. Type of Finish: Blue Finish Originality: All Original Bore Condition: The bore is bright and the rifling is sharp and deep. There is no erosion in the bore. Overall Condition: This handgun retains about 96% of its metal finish. The front and rear edges of the slide show thinning and there is small spot of pitting on the right side of the slide about an inch from the muzzle.
The sides of the slide and the backstrap show light handling marks. There is a small spot of pinprick surface erosion on the left side of the slide above the markings, on the right side of the slide above the grip, on the rear face of the slide on the left side and two spots on the right side of the slide at the rear. The edges of the safety and magazine release show thinning. The markings are clear. Overall, this handgun rates in about Fine to Excellent condition. Mechanics: The action functions correctly.
We did not fire this handgun. See Assessment for operation of safety. It does not have a magazine disconnect. Box, Paperwork & Accessories: This pistol comes with one stainless steel 7-round magazine.
It is marked with “9m/m” on the left side and “7.65m/m” and a faint logo that is illegible on the right side. The magazine shows spots of pinprick surface erosion and surface loss from sanding. It is in about Very Good condition.
Our Assessment: From Wikipedia: “The pistol was produced in 6.35 mm, 7.65 mm, and 9 mm variants. Although not expensive, at the time it was of advanced design and high quality construction with relatively few parts and well-sealed against dirt. Metal components were forged or machined, and assembly in general made no use of screws, even securing the wooden grips with metal clips. The hammerless action depended on a spring-loaded striker to fire the cartridge. Unusual design features included the safety and the multi-caliber magazine. The safety was a lever inset into the back of the grip and, with the gun cocked, forced backward out of the grip into the 'safe' position by spring tension from the firing pin upon depression of a button under the slide. Thus, engaging the safety simultaneously reduced tension on the firing pin spring.
To disengage the safety, a shooter simply would squeeze the grip, pressing the lever forward and locking it flush with the back of the pistol. The Ortgies was a well-balanced, sturdy weapon that found considerable favor in competitive shooting. In 1921, prize winners at some 70% of principal shooting competitions had chosen Ortgies 7.65 mm pistols, and the winner of the German championship on September 26, 1921, at Halensee, Germany, took the prize firing an Ortgies.
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